Sidious also showed greater abilities than Vader. you said 1 min so then you lied yourself. When did you show this? So trying to prove I'm the bias one by saying I do something that you also do is irrational. Sidious then gave Anakin his new name as an Sith, Darth Vader. Character overview. She only left Maul to fight Kanan because she needed to go save Ezra. Nobody hit with force lightning but Palpatine ever got that same look, which also implies that's just his dark side degradation look. Actually it does. The Empire Strikes Back pulled arguably one of the best plot twists in cinemas — the reveal that Darth Vader, the main antagonist of the original movie, was the father of its hero, Luke Skywalker. It's debatable whether or not Darth Sidious (Sheev Palpatine) is the most powerful Sith Lord in modern times or in all of history. It is mostly because of him having to divide his attention. He was able to do what Vader did, but even greater. In the book she had help from the clones as far as I'm aware. According to the novel it seems like mace was being overwhelmed by Sidious lightning with mace calling for anakins help stating the power is to much for him with his blade being pushed back towards him and getting dangerously close to slicing his shoulder. Ok? Examples: TPM Maul Vs Obi-wan, ROTS Anakin Vs Obi-wan, ROTJ Vader Vs Luke, Kanan Vs Maul. Unlike in the case of Sidious and Plagueis, where the Apprentice surpassed the Master, Sidious never allowed for that to happen to him. The new movie showed Palpatine getting his wrinkled face again. @jerrah13: For the Sidious vs mace fight it is a hard call honestly. instead it was a fight which was cut short before it's conclusion, Mace also struggled with a droid as well. But Dooku was clearly having trouble dealing with both of them at once. Any the fact that Vader is way more powerful than mace puts Vader above ROTS Sidious. I said Lord of the Sith Vader, rebels Vader, and ROTJ Vader are stronger and more powerful than ROTS Sidious. I never said it was proof, but Anakin beat Dooku just like he did in ep 3, and it was a mental attack on Yoda that was supposed to be realistic. The true question is was whether mace totally and utterly defeat Sidious? Vader can definitely block Palpatine's lightning, but he can always get caught off guard mid fight and get his circuits fried. You probably still don't even know what I mean and will say something else that's completely irrelevant in the next post. Her and Savage almost beat Dooku. Darth Vader is not stronger than Darth Sidious. episode of Death Battle. you are using double Standards in your arguments. Don't be fooled. - The Complete Visual Dictionary New Edition, pg.27, "It was Anakin Skywalker who severed Mace Windu's arm, allowing Darth Sidious to win the fight with a blast of Force lightning." those two things alone put Vader comfortably ahead of ROTS Sidious...which is what I was trying to get that member Alex to understand. Then I said it was because Palpatine was surprised. There is nothing you've said in the months that you've been on this thread is changing that. You must not understand the English language, because that definition didn't contradict anything I said. @alextheboss: man I'm doing it on a mobile phone, I don't see the image symbol, @alextheboss: ok, I'ma have to do it on computer. they were both Visions. Except the part where he was legitimately disarmed, maimed by his own attack and at Mace's mercy, yeah it all went to plan. If Mace legit beat Palpatine, that means he legit has a chance of beating Vader as well. Did Anakin have vast strength in the Force? Darth Vader waited until the Return of the Jedi to turn on Emperor Palpatine — why? It was a struggle those. You are right, you actually said two minutes LMAO. The conversation went like this. Vader had the potential to be stronger than all of them...he was born of the Force. It took most of Dooku's Power to not get cut in half and to meet Anakin blade. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. @jerrah13: Allowing someone to win and needing something to win are two entirely different things. So if the barrage continued would Sidious have died before maces blade was pushed back far enough to kill him? Considering everything went EXACTLY as Palpatine wanted, it is more likely that it was his plan. In Disney it stated Vader is light Years above Dooku, the same Dooku made Yoda Struggle. Also, Sidious has extremely good strategy. here she redirects his blows and at points even outright deflects them using the force. The lore said Snoke was an ancient force user older than the empire, and then the new movie changed that. https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/mace-windu-vs-obi-wan-and-anakin-in-rots-fight-1916294/?page=4. Kurama planet level and Saitama invicible! So no, you are either completely confused on what you actually said, or you are desperately trying to continue your lie even though I flat out showed you what you said. Did mace defeat Sidious in single blade combat? Then you asked how he could be surprised for a whole two minutes, which would imply you meant that's how long Vader was overpowering for. Servants of the dark side, both Darth Maul and Darth Vader became deadly and powerful Sith. By Vader being leagues more powerful than Mace windu to the point Lords Of the Sith Vader would beat the crap out of Mace Windu there is no way ROTS Sidious Beats Any Version of Vader past Lords of the Sith. You said Vader overpowered Palpatine with the force. 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